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Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1
 
mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 21.31.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

your tormach ?
 
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 21.31.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

your tormach ?

That\'s an option. The circuit is pretty simple!
 
mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 22.08.33 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 21.31.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

your tormach ?

That\'s an option. The circuit is pretty simple!

yeh, looks like a few holes and an outline, wouldn\'t take more than a few minutes
 
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 5:00:35 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 22.08.33 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 21.31.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

your tormach ?

That\'s an option. The circuit is pretty simple!

yeh, looks like a few holes and an outline, wouldn\'t take more than a few minutes

I think he left out of the drawing the 0.1\" spaced holes in the perf board.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 22.08.33 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 21.31.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

your tormach ?

That\'s an option. The circuit is pretty simple!

yeh, looks like a few holes and an outline, wouldn\'t take more than a few minutes

We\'ll do a PCB, with proper plated holes, silk, solder mask, all that.

The layout is done!

My contract layout guy suggests sierra circuits or rushpcb or
sunstone. We\'ll get quotes for 30 or so.
 
mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 23.35.19 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 22.08.33 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 21.31.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

your tormach ?

That\'s an option. The circuit is pretty simple!

yeh, looks like a few holes and an outline, wouldn\'t take more than a few minutes

We\'ll do a PCB, with proper plated holes, silk, solder mask, all that.

The layout is done!

My contract layout guy suggests sierra circuits or rushpcb or
sunstone. We\'ll get quotes for 30 or so.

if you want to nitpick, you should move one of the wires to the other end
of the board so all the caps have the same trace length and share current
 
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 23.35.19 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 22.08.33 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 10. august 2020 kl. 21.31.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

your tormach ?

That\'s an option. The circuit is pretty simple!

yeh, looks like a few holes and an outline, wouldn\'t take more than a few minutes

We\'ll do a PCB, with proper plated holes, silk, solder mask, all that.

The layout is done!

My contract layout guy suggests sierra circuits or rushpcb or
sunstone. We\'ll get quotes for 30 or so.

if you want to nitpick, you should move one of the wires to the other end
of the board so all the caps have the same trace length and share current

One of my guys started on a PCB layout and another headed for the
Tormach.

Tormach won.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/95qvpqledr9tkuw/P902_Cap_Fix_1.jpg?raw=1

He doesn\'t mind doing 25 this way.
 
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 12:31:59 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

Either Sunstone or Advanced Circuits is fine for domestic quick-turn work.
Or WellPCB for those with finite budgets who can wait a week or two.

I prefer Advanced Circuits over Sunstone these days because Sunstone\'s
silkscreen capabilities are stuck in the Fahnestock-clip era.

-- john, KE5FX
 
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-4, John Miles, KE5FX wrote:
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 12:31:59 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

Either Sunstone or Advanced Circuits is fine for domestic quick-turn work..
Or WellPCB for those with finite budgets who can wait a week or two.

I prefer Advanced Circuits over Sunstone these days because Sunstone\'s
silkscreen capabilities are stuck in the Fahnestock-clip era.

-- john, KE5FX

Sunstone screwed me over years ago and I will never work with them again. They kept misplacing my order so I had to give them the credit card number three times with days delay each time. Then when I got the boards back they were around 30-40% x-outs and the ones they passed kept opening vias. Fortunately I had plenty of spares. But I also ordered the test fixture from them and that had the same problems with open vias even as late as a decade. Any time the test fixture exhibits flakiness I debug the symptoms and track it down to add a wire. They have many wires now, but at least they mostly keep working.

A horrible company to do business with. Sunstone, ptui!

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
John Larkin wrote:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1
DIY is the way to go, especially if you can \"cheat\" the PTH with
compoonent leads.
 
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:20:38 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
Who is good for really quick-turn double-sided PC boards? 2 or 3 days
delivered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t30ggxa5q3z34z5/Cap_Hack.jpg?raw=1

DIY is the way to go, especially if you can \"cheat\" the PTH with
compoonent leads.

I posted the Tormax-milled pic above. The caps solder to giant copper
islands, and he used pushed-in and soldered faston tabs for the wire
connections. We\'ll do that.

We have shipped one unit that needs to be upgraded in the field, and
the customer is willing to solder, before they run it full blast.

The TI class-D amp, TPA3255, does not specify DC offset; driving a
loudspeaker, a little DC doesn\'t matter. But there is enough to
saturate a toroid, hence the blocking caps. A couple of unfortunate
events resulted in the caps being undersized at worst-case load.

It\'s hard to find reasonable sized or cost caps with more than a
couple of amps of AC current rating, hence six in parallel. The TI
chip can output 17 amps peak.

This is the worst thing that happened in this box. Most stuff worked
first try, with only minor tweaks. Not a single cut/jumper.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rdejxjz8a6vbny7/P900_FA_Jun_15.jpg?raw=1

This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 2020-08-11 12:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.

Which ones are going away? We use a lot of LPC845s and LPC804s, and are
looking at using one of the NXP M4F/M0+ parts.

The ST factory headers are hideous. What toolchain are you folks using
with the ST parts?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:49:59 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.

Which ones are going away? We use a lot of LPC845s and LPC804s, and are
looking at using one of the NXP M4F/M0+ parts.

LPC3250, and I think some of the 1768 series.

The ST factory headers are hideous. What toolchain are you folks using
with the ST parts?

I\'ll ask Paul the next time he\'s in. He has said some baddish stuff
about their libraries. But first time on a new CPU, things happen.

He wrote a boot loader that we jtag into the STM32F207IGT6. We might
eventually have a distributor do that. At powerup, the boot reads a
plug-in serial flash chip that has the specific runtime code and the
FPGA image.

We can email upgrade files to a customer, or we can send him a new
physical flash plugin thing, so one of his techs can just replace it.

The ST is nice in some ways. It\'s very versatile about pin assignments
and has lots of goodies on chip. As usual in uPs, the ADC is pretty
bad.

I\'d like to move more to ZYNQs and PicoZeds for anything that has an
FPGA or DRAM. PicoZed is slick. I should have used that on my
alternator box.










Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 3:45:00 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The ST is nice in some ways. It\'s very versatile about pin assignments
and has lots of goodies on chip. As usual in uPs, the ADC is pretty
bad.

Any qualification on \"pretty bad\". We are not seeing any problems so far. A programmer is presently collecting some data to verify some claims of the ADC being nonlinear at the top and bottom.

I\'ll share the results if anyone is interested.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 2020-08-11 15:44, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:49:59 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.

Which ones are going away? We use a lot of LPC845s and LPC804s, and are
looking at using one of the NXP M4F/M0+ parts.

LPC3250, and I think some of the 1768 series.

Thanks, good info.

The ST factory headers are hideous. What toolchain are you folks using
with the ST parts?

I\'ll ask Paul the next time he\'s in. He has said some baddish stuff
about their libraries. But first time on a new CPU, things happen.

He wrote a boot loader that we jtag into the STM32F207IGT6. We might
eventually have a distributor do that. At powerup, the boot reads a
plug-in serial flash chip that has the specific runtime code and the
FPGA image.

We do something similar--Simon wrote a bootloader that can flash the 845
over half-duplex MODBUS, which is pretty slick. The stock BL can do it
over full-duplex UART, SPI, or SWD. We\'re using it in the sensors in my
\"connectors for high vibration\" thread.

We can email upgrade files to a customer, or we can send him a new
physical flash plugin thing, so one of his techs can just replace it.

The ST is nice in some ways. It\'s very versatile about pin assignments
and has lots of goodies on chip. As usual in uPs, the ADC is pretty
bad.

I\'ve heard lots of good things about the silicon, and the prices are
good, but the support appears to be forum-based only. That would make
IAR or somebody else\'s toolchain attractive at some point. You don\'t
have to spend many days stuck to pay for that.

I\'d like to move more to ZYNQs and PicoZeds for anything that has an
FPGA or DRAM. PicoZed is slick. I should have used that on my
alternator box.

We\'ll check it out.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
tirsdag den 11. august 2020 kl. 20.50.08 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 2020-08-11 12:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.

Which ones are going away? We use a lot of LPC845s and LPC804s, and are
looking at using one of the NXP M4F/M0+ parts.

The ST factory headers are hideous. What toolchain are you folks using
with the ST parts?

System workbench, it is eclipse and GCC

cubemx is a useful for getting the pin mapping correct
 
tirsdag den 11. august 2020 kl. 22.19.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 2020-08-11 15:44, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:49:59 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.

Which ones are going away? We use a lot of LPC845s and LPC804s, and are
looking at using one of the NXP M4F/M0+ parts.

LPC3250, and I think some of the 1768 series.

Thanks, good info.



The ST factory headers are hideous. What toolchain are you folks using
with the ST parts?

I\'ll ask Paul the next time he\'s in. He has said some baddish stuff
about their libraries. But first time on a new CPU, things happen.

He wrote a boot loader that we jtag into the STM32F207IGT6. We might
eventually have a distributor do that. At powerup, the boot reads a
plug-in serial flash chip that has the specific runtime code and the
FPGA image.

We do something similar--Simon wrote a bootloader that can flash the 845
over half-duplex MODBUS, which is pretty slick. The stock BL can do it
over full-duplex UART, SPI, or SWD. We\'re using it in the sensors in my
\"connectors for high vibration\" thread.

The STM build in bootloader can flash from UART/USB/I2C/SPI/CAN
 
On 2020-08-11 16:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 11. august 2020 kl. 22.19.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 2020-08-11 15:44, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:49:59 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.

Which ones are going away? We use a lot of LPC845s and LPC804s, and are
looking at using one of the NXP M4F/M0+ parts.

LPC3250, and I think some of the 1768 series.

Thanks, good info.



The ST factory headers are hideous. What toolchain are you folks using
with the ST parts?

I\'ll ask Paul the next time he\'s in. He has said some baddish stuff
about their libraries. But first time on a new CPU, things happen.

He wrote a boot loader that we jtag into the STM32F207IGT6. We might
eventually have a distributor do that. At powerup, the boot reads a
plug-in serial flash chip that has the specific runtime code and the
FPGA image.

We do something similar--Simon wrote a bootloader that can flash the 845
over half-duplex MODBUS, which is pretty slick. The stock BL can do it
over full-duplex UART, SPI, or SWD. We\'re using it in the sensors in my
\"connectors for high vibration\" thread.

The STM build in bootloader can flash from UART/USB/I2C/SPI/CAN


In half-duplex? That\'s the parlour trick.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
tirsdag den 11. august 2020 kl. 22.40.25 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 2020-08-11 16:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 11. august 2020 kl. 22.19.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 2020-08-11 15:44, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:49:59 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


This is our first use of an ST Arm, which we are using now that the
NXP parts seem to be going EOL. I hate when people do that, dump on
their customers.

Which ones are going away? We use a lot of LPC845s and LPC804s, and are
looking at using one of the NXP M4F/M0+ parts.

LPC3250, and I think some of the 1768 series.

Thanks, good info.



The ST factory headers are hideous. What toolchain are you folks using
with the ST parts?

I\'ll ask Paul the next time he\'s in. He has said some baddish stuff
about their libraries. But first time on a new CPU, things happen.

He wrote a boot loader that we jtag into the STM32F207IGT6. We might
eventually have a distributor do that. At powerup, the boot reads a
plug-in serial flash chip that has the specific runtime code and the
FPGA image.

We do something similar--Simon wrote a bootloader that can flash the 845
over half-duplex MODBUS, which is pretty slick. The stock BL can do it
over full-duplex UART, SPI, or SWD. We\'re using it in the sensors in my
\"connectors for high vibration\" thread.

The STM build in bootloader can flash from UART/USB/I2C/SPI/CAN


In half-duplex? That\'s the parlour trick.

nope, but more interfaces, but I\'d guess the nxp can do those too
 

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